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Post by Devil Soundwave on Jan 28, 2007 12:06:11 GMT
I have been thinking about these new knock-offs. Apparently they are of suitably good quality to pretty much pass for the real thing. If you can suspend from your mind that they are not made by Has-Tak, they may as well be the real thing.
Now heres the rub - if they started producing knockoffs of stuff like (for example) Noizu, Goryu and the other Autobot tapes, would this be a good thing, or not?
Old ground we covered with the reissues I suppose, but interesting none-the-less.
Discuss.
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Post by Carn on Jan 28, 2007 12:29:18 GMT
I've never heard of Goryu and Noizu...
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Post by Devil Soundwave on Jan 28, 2007 12:30:57 GMT
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Post by Toymachine on Jan 28, 2007 12:36:34 GMT
I'd snatch them up!
The demand for G1 re-issues is still around, in fact it's probably bigger.
I don't think re-issues affect the collectible aspect of the originals all that much, they'll still fetch high prices.
I'd prefer if it were TakaraTomy making them, but If TT won't give us what we want then, I'll take a KO substitute.
There are disadvantages to the sudden release of KO's though, so It's not entirely a good thing.
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Post by Devil Soundwave on Jan 28, 2007 12:44:15 GMT
There are disadvantages to the sudden release of KO's though, so It's not entirely a good thing. What are the disadvantages as you see it? |
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Post by Carn on Jan 28, 2007 12:47:57 GMT
Thanks. I think these cassettes look a bit crappy to be honest. |
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Post by Devil Soundwave on Jan 28, 2007 12:59:35 GMT
Thanks. I think these cassettes look a bit crappy to be honest. I know what you mean. I think the rarity value certainly adds to their desirability. Owning something rare makes me feel proud, dunno about anyone else. |
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Post by Toymachine on Jan 28, 2007 17:04:51 GMT
Even when they do re-issue them, the originals are still just as rare.
The main disadvantage I see with the KO's and re-issues, is unscrupulous or uneducated people passing the figures or their parts off as originals.
Although these KO have been easy to recognise in their packaging it would be much harder to spot the differences when loose.
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Post by Hellhound on Jan 28, 2007 19:01:54 GMT
I think they're okay as long as people don't try to pass them off as the real deal (which i'm sure they will).
I bought the Laserbeak / Rumble & Ravage / Frenzy sets off of Timban. I didn't open the R/F set (slightly ironic, not opening fakes) bu topened the other set. Good as they were, Laserbeak was certainlt not (quite) to the standard of the Takara one I have (from reissue Soundwave).
The parts stuck slightly as the moved, the paint on the metal parts was slightly chipped & the metal part was slightly loose.
On the other hand, Rumble seemed to be spot on. It was hard to say, as I've never owned the original but the quality was top notch. the other thing to say is they don't always seem to be straight copies - the KO Frenxy is made from translucent red plastic, which i don't think is the case on the original toy.
While Takra & Hasbro have been pretty fan friendly on the reissue front (eg Stepper & Soundblaster) I tend to think that, if someone is prepared to put out a good quality KO of a toy that there is a DEFINATE market for (I.e. Swoop), & Takara/Tomy/Hasbro don't think it's worth there while, well, more fool T/T/H.
Going back to dishonest sellers, well there will always be people like that, and surely it's down to us as an honest (hopefully!) fan community to educate others (as far as possible) so that they buy these KOs with their eyes wide open.
Phew, i'm knackered after writing that...
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Post by Galvy on Jan 28, 2007 21:05:40 GMT
as long as ppl advertise them for what they are theres no real problem. id love a ko swoop, want the original more. i think we should give the guys making them a big hand, after all who wants kos made from really bad quallity,especially if were gonna pay more than poundland prices  |
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Post by timban on Feb 5, 2007 22:41:35 GMT
I would say they're not as quite high quality as the orginals, but i really wouldn't class then as knock-off.
Whoever's producing these isn't going to sell them buy the bucket load as they can't sell them to main stream outlets. It's a niche market.
I don't think anyone really knows how these TF's are being produced. They are not an official production run authorised by Hasbro or Takara but they are too damn good to be dodgy knockoff's. They originate from china which is where the original TF's were produced. It would be way too expensive and time consuming to reverse engineer moulds from existing toys, so my guess is the original moulds, artwork etc etc all still exist over there. So someone has spotted a chance to produce some unofficial re-issues.
In my opinion an orginal will always be an orginal and these don't detract from that at all, not everyone can afford to spend £80-£100 on a MOSC Frenzy and Laserbeak set, these are a cheap way to get something that gets a bit close!
We also get clear, Blue, Orange, White sets. I've only seen the orange set out of the packaging - the quality was superb, and they looked alot better in orange than I thought they would
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Post by Devil Soundwave on Feb 5, 2007 23:09:09 GMT
That's an interesting view-point Tim, hadn't really thought about it like that. I agree with that - I reckon these are being made from teh originl moulds etc. Wonder if it is maybe some disgruntled workers from teh Takara/Hasbro factory...
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Post by TheGreatDestroyer on Feb 6, 2007 17:39:00 GMT
I am all for it, They are filling demand at a more reasonable price. I'd knight them for doing the world a favour. Hasbro & Takara should probably do something about them, namely re-releasing those toys and then we could go to the shops and buy them. It won't happen but they could do good business if they just sold the re-issues online direct. Until then, I want the Brain Masters and Dinosaur Force to be knocked off.
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Post by timban on Feb 6, 2007 19:43:14 GMT
Well if they are being produced from orginal moulds that are hanging about in china - i guess any further releases would have to depend on the weather the orginals were produced in China in the first place........done anyone know if the japanese exclusive releases were made in China? If you do a search on e-bay you regually come across near perfect looking dinobot sticker sheets. Have also seen near perfect Trypiticon stickers sheets - does this mean these could be done at some point?  I also came across near perfect unoffical boxes for blustreak, prowl and smokescreen a few months back. |
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Post by Claymore on Feb 6, 2007 20:01:31 GMT
So long as they are of a good quality and are of a reasonable price tag, and no one gets hurt by it then yeah I am in favour of them
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