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Post by Gruff on Sept 17, 2004 19:55:16 GMT
now i dont know which episode it was, but Tarantulas is ranting and raving about destroying the Ark, Blackarrachnia tries to stop him realising that she was an Autobot/Maximal protoform and that if the Ark is destroyed so is she in the past. Tarantulas claims it wont affect him or the Tripredacus council because they were created from/by someone/where else. That might be an episode from season 3, in an ealier episode Megatron refers to the same scheming arachnid as "the spawn of Unicron". Were the Tripredacus council and Tarantulas heralds of Unicron? perhaps sent back thru time to destroy the creation matrix before it could destroy Unicron in 2005/2006/1993 (pick your continiuty)  this has been bothering me the last couple of days  |
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Post by Phill on Sept 17, 2004 20:04:31 GMT
Most folks understood the "Spawn of Unicron" line as an insult.
I've read many a debate about it.
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Post by Gruff on Sept 18, 2004 19:02:05 GMT
first time i've heard of it as an insult i must say, still gotta wonder what the full agenda for the Tripredacus council was and what Megatron did with them upon his return to Cybertron
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Post by Minion on Sept 18, 2004 19:26:27 GMT
Definitely a un-concluded concept thats for sure.
Personally I always took it that they were somehow descended from something to do with Unicron rather than the big (dark) cheese himself. Don't buy into that time travel or heralds idea though.
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Post by Imperator on Sept 19, 2004 11:02:53 GMT
Never elaborated on, almost certainly never actually written. With the death of the Beast line with BM there was no room for the writers to actually explore it.
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Post by Minion on Sept 19, 2004 11:44:56 GMT
I think it was purely there to try and give Tarantulas some more depth than for any actual plot reasons. It fitted with their ideas at the time and I just get the impression it was trying to incorporate something larger into the BW universe.
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Post by ChrisMcFeely on Sept 19, 2004 17:07:39 GMT
The original concept for the characters was, in fact, that they were descendants of the G2 Cybertronians (y'know, Jhiaxus's band from the G2 comics) who remained on the planet after Prime, Megs and their crews were lost. However, since that didn't actually make it into the show, it's not "official," so the "Unicron's Spawn" line could be taken as just an insult, or a literal term, but neither one of THEM is official either.
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Post by Moonbug on Sept 19, 2004 17:12:09 GMT
Really? We saw them as the leaders of the Predacons, with Megatron technically below them, but not wanting to work for anyone, he took his own group of Predacons to rule over - hence the "power struggle" and why they sent Ravage back in time to get them.
Where did you hear about the Cybertronian line ... as that is quiet hard to believe, considering how little the writers knew of TFs (they looked most up by going to sites / message boards) - though I guess they could have seen people talking about G2 and took the idea from there.
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Post by ChrisMcFeely on Sept 19, 2004 20:22:00 GMT
Your analysis of them is correct - that IS what they are. It's just their past that's the mystery, which is what Tarantulas hints at when he says: "The Tripredacus Council and I have different origins."
I can't honestly remember where I heard the G2 thing first, but it's certainly fact - it's been around as long as the show has, and came right from DiTillio's mouth. In fact, I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned it already, it's a pretty well-known thing. Larry had read the G2 comics as part of his TF research - he also had the idea that the Vok, the aliens of BW, were the evolved, purified version of the Swarm, another take-off from the G2 comics.
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Post by Minion on Sept 20, 2004 11:27:43 GMT
Ive never heard of this either. Any websites or anything you could point to would be appreciated.
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Post by Imperator on Sept 21, 2004 12:42:46 GMT
Actually, I heard different. There's a thing from one of the writers of BW in on of the G1 Marvel comic books I got recently, either Primal Scream or Matrix Quest, and there the guy says that with BW they were originally working blind, entirely ignorant of previous Transformers, but when the newsgroups started pulling apart each and every episode, it prompted them to learn TF lore FAST. Apparently Rhinox name-dropping Primus caused a major flurry of activity.
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Post by Gruff on Sept 21, 2004 16:38:52 GMT
i remember that with the Primus thing, there was even a rumour going round at one point that Primus would actually appear in an episode, things did get out of hand tho when they said in the last episode that Primal would die and Cheetor would turn into Rodimus Primal |
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Post by ChrisMcFeely on Sept 21, 2004 21:10:56 GMT
That's true, Imperator. The Vok/Swarm and Tarantulas/Tripedacus/G2 ideas came later on, as they were getting into back-references. They were, of course, already into making G1 references by the third episode, when jet-mode Starscream flies by in Cheetor's dream. In answer to that earlier question, check out www.bwtf.com and it's BW episode coverage for details. |
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Post by Imperator on Sept 23, 2004 11:53:03 GMT
Indeed, but throughout the first series the G1 connections are so slapdash it's a true testement to the writers that they managed to pull everything together in the second.
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Post by Tarantulas on Dec 5, 2004 16:42:11 GMT
Simon Furman has stated recently all these threads will get looked at by Dreamwave in their new comic series. Its doubtful now that the swarm will get a mention as they will try and link it to DW G1 continuity than anything that came before.
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