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Post by sonny on Aug 9, 2007 13:53:43 GMT
Anyhow, the cartoon strip was spot on - It is a good film, but there was no character for any of the bots on either side really. I thought the Autobots, with Prime and Bumblebee in particular, had plenty of character, and for 'cons, Frenzy had plenty. Superbly done. Can't say I've ever found that site funny anyways, or any web based comic strip for that matter. Exactly. And this whole "no character" stuff is stupid because we all know who the hell they are and how they act, 25 years of G1 has already established their characters so why do we need to be reminded? If people cant remember what their characters are like then someone hasnt been paying attention. Leave all the boring character development out of the way and foucs on a kick ass 2 and a half hour action film to make sure this franchise doesnt turn into another boring soap opera like spiderman did.
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Post by Loosecannon on Aug 9, 2007 18:43:25 GMT
Spidey is about the character - without peter parker spidey is less than nothing.
In terms of the TF film - it need character development. Yeah I know who they were supposed to be - but there was no interaction between them - even in the fights, the actual talking was minimal, no even wisecracks between the bots and cons.
The worst bit is I dont actually blame my missus for falling asleep, if you like a character film and a story to follow this aint the film for you.
I really feel the reason most fans love it is because it is transformers at the cinema - and we all hope there is more story in it if they do a sequel....
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Post by UltraPrime on Aug 9, 2007 19:40:30 GMT
25 years of G1 has already established their characters so why do we need to be reminded? Well, as it's not a G1 movie, that point is redundent
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Post by Hoist on Aug 9, 2007 19:56:15 GMT
All i keep hearing is "not enough character development" blah blah blah, it's only the first film and is trying to bring Transformers to a new generation as well - not just please old fans. If there is a sequel - then i expect character development, better pace and much - much better editing. I don't think you need to worry to much in the first film it's establishing who's who.
Those that have lines establish there personalities so you get a feel for the characters anyway, those that don't or didn't get enough i expect to have more speech in any later movies. Still doesn't detract from the movie itself which was very enjoyable.
The only bad things was a certain bumblebee scene & "leaking" (Lame even for the kids), and very very bad editing. which affected the pacing of the film.
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Post by sonny on Aug 9, 2007 21:40:41 GMT
25 years of G1 has already established their characters so why do we need to be reminded? Well, as it's not a G1 movie, that point is redundent uuur duh no way sherlock! G1 characters are used thats the point i was making. Point not redundant in that case.
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Post by Devil Soundwave on Aug 10, 2007 1:11:14 GMT
But that's the point Sonny which you are missing - they are not G1 characters! They have the same name sure, and maybe even some of the same traits in places, but they are not G1, and not supposed to be G1.
Prime has been in every series, but you wouldn't say that Prime in Armada is supposed to be the same Prime from G1 surely?
Same name, similar role, similar ideals, but different character, different universe, different storylines.
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Post by eliza19922007 on Aug 10, 2007 2:56:12 GMT
Hi everybody. I just joined this topic. I am in my 30s and I still find the Transformers stories highly entertaining. I have been enjoying seeing their videos via YOU TUBE.
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Post by nightbird on Aug 10, 2007 6:23:43 GMT
Welcome Eliza I think it was a mistake to say the characters are G1 based. Each different series, etc. has something unique about it and that's true of the movie. Yeah, there was not a lot of character development, but that is not unusual for a first outing. Fantastic Four proves that - first one, wah, second one, ooh! Totally agree about the leaking scene though - so unnecessary and pointless.
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Post by UltraPrime on Aug 10, 2007 17:39:35 GMT
Well, as it's not a G1 movie, that point is redundent uuur duh no way sherlock! G1 characters are used thats the point i was making. Point not redundant in that case. I think DS made my point, but I'll add my two penneth worth. Ironhide is clearly not the wise old veteran from G1. Scorponok is clearly not the Decepticon commander from G1. You are welcome to disagree, of course, but try to do so a little less agressively. Ta
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Post by sonny on Aug 10, 2007 19:17:07 GMT
But that's the point Sonny which you are missing - they are not G1 characters! They have the same name sure, and maybe even some of the same traits in places, but they are not G1, and not supposed to be G1. Prime has been in every series, but you wouldn't say that Prime in Armada is supposed to be the same Prime from G1 surely? Same name, similar role, similar ideals, but different character, different universe, different storylines. That may be your point but i dont agree with it, nor have i missed anything, i simpyl dont agree with it. We all know who the transformers are, and unless they introduce brand new characters that we have never heard of before i dont see why we need to waste screen time with character development. I just dont want this franchise to turn into another bore fest that spiderman was, or x-men or superman returns. (the latter three i liked, but they lacked action thanks to all the "character development" and when i watch an "action movie" i expect to see some action!)
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Post by sonny on Aug 10, 2007 19:24:14 GMT
uuur duh no way sherlock! G1 characters are used thats the point i was making. Point not redundant in that case. I think DS made my point, but I'll add my two penneth worth. Ironhide is clearly not the wise old veteran from G1. Scorponok is clearly not the Decepticon commander from G1. You are welcome to disagree, of course, but try to do so a little less agressively. Ta Woosah dude, rub your ear lobes or something, i only respond according to what i receive first. Howd you like it if i told you that all your points are "redundant". Thats just the same as telling someone that their opinion is a load of shite to me, so the "aggresion" was justified as i took what you said as an insult. Lets not all turn this into another "lets give sonny a hard time and make him look like a bad guy" thread again ok? Back onto topic, what i am saying is we already know who ironhide, prime, bumblebee, ratchet, jazz, megatron, starscream etc etc are so why would a long time transformer fan need to have their characters all explained to them again in the movie? I dont have anything to worry about if Bay stays to direct which i hope he does with every fibre of my being, but if he doesnt then i fear the next two movies will end up being just another boring, soap opera like the spiderman movies, x-men 1&2 and superman returns were. They claim to be superhero action movies, yet all we get is 5 minutes of action and 2 hours worth of talking....boooring. (although those puny 5 minutes were exellent)
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Post by Galvy on Aug 10, 2007 19:56:52 GMT
though i dont care about the character development, lets not forget there are a lot off young kids gonna see this film and wont know a g1 optimus from a power ranger.this is why the film needed some charactor building but we would get less action. like it was mentioned before, well probably get that in the sequel. but its definatly not g1 transformers. its better in a way. and i havent forgot you ult, the kids have taken over my pc.will stop by for a chat soon.
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Post by Sunstreaker on Aug 10, 2007 21:07:17 GMT
Back onto topic, what i am saying is we already know who ironhide, prime, bumblebee, ratchet, jazz, megatron, starscream etc etc are so why would a long time transformer fan need to have their characters all explained to them again in the movie? I dont have anything to worry about if Bay stays to direct which i hope he does with every fibre of my being, but if he doesnt then i fear the next two movies will end up being just another boring, soap opera like the spiderman movies, x-men 1&2 and superman returns were. They claim to be superhero action movies, yet all we get is 5 minutes of action and 2 hours worth of talking....boooring. (although those puny 5 minutes were exellent) [glow=red,2,000] Unfortunately Sonny that's the nature of Hollywood. You would never get a film made that didn't cater to a bigger demographic.
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Post by UltraPrime on Aug 10, 2007 21:27:53 GMT
Woosah dude, rub your ear lobes or something, i only respond according to what i receive first. Howd you like it if i told you that all your points are "redundant". Thats just the same as telling someone that their opinion is a load of s**** to me, so the "aggresion" was justified as i took what you said as an insult. Lets not all turn this into another "lets give sonny a hard time and make him look like a bad guy" thread again ok? But you were basically saying that the characters were the same as G1, which they are not. Therefore, what I said was correct. Sorry if you felt that this was a personal insult on your integrity.
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Post by UltraPrime on Aug 10, 2007 21:28:54 GMT
and i havent forgot you ult, the kids have taken over my pc.will stop by for a chat soon. Ah, the beauty of having an extra PC for kids Hope to see you soon!
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