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Post by Sunstreaker on Jan 14, 2008 21:37:19 GMT
[glow=red,2,000] This is really hard to explain... that's never stopped me before, so I'll have a go anyway...
Depression is kinda like a papercut...
As a man, you can take a bottle to the head, get beaten around the chest with an iron bar, beaten up, run over, punched in the face etc. and you deal with it. Simple as. It never hurts until about a day later, and even then you have a cool story to tell and it never seems to hurt that much.
A papercut will bother you all day. Probably the next day too. You'll think about it constantly. You'll moan about it as though - and it is - the worst thing in the world that could ever happen to you.
It's exactly the same as Man-Flu.
It will totally way-lay you. Knocks you for six for a few days and NOTHING could be worse.
It's all about dignity, and being able to face your problems and take them on the chin. You can't take a papercut or a cold on the chin, as they are insidious, and creep up on you, and you know you shouldn't be worrying about them but you do.
Not sure if that is that clear... so I'll have another go...
Depression isn't not being able to cope with a problem.
Depression is when you get caught with a half a dozen problems which you're trying to deal with (as any man should) when you get hit with something trifling and seemingly insignificant... and then you realise you've horrendously overstretched yourself... which because you've burnt all of your energy up dealing with the other stuff you weren't paying attention too you then find yourself too exhausted to even think about dealing with. And because you're too exhausted to fix the problems the problems they escalate... and because you are so very, very tired you can't focus on (what if you were well any of us could do) what should be fixed first.
It's a real beast to fix... because the only way to get out of depression is to fix your (usually quite mundane and everyday) problems, which you can't do until you can focus on what's going on... which you can't do until you're no longer worrying about the problems...
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Post by Starscreams Ghost on Jan 14, 2008 21:58:28 GMT
well I have to say that was extremely well put
are you feeling okay Streaky?
need a lie down?
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Post by HeavyAssault on Jan 14, 2008 23:21:06 GMT
Ok Streaker.........Is it easier to deal with problems with someone or alone?....As in ppl who are married?If not for my wife Lust....I may beable to get depressed.I dont want to find out....but Im sayin. Sometimes ppl just need someone to talk to....but sometimes that doesnt work.Its not really wise to go it alone....Man or not..........
Its safe to say then single ppl get more depressed then married ppl.......Kinda?
Im not tryin to be a azz......
It seems to me that ppl get depressed cuzz they dont have someone they know and trust to talk to......they cant vent..........
Yet Im sure there are many levels to depression............
You know what...I think Im done with this topic.......b4 I get in over my head and affend ppl not on purpose ofcourse.
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Post by Galvy on Jan 14, 2008 23:59:06 GMT
you aint offending no one HA depression is a personal thing best to get in the open imo.
as i type this my finger is hurting and i wanna cry but ill take some ones head off before i cry before them. this threads about how i felt at that time which i have moved on from thanks to certain ppl, medical and otherwise,and if it gets other ppl talking about depression and its effects its a good thing.
dont feel bad HA, just reading your opinions helps.
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Post by nightbird on Jan 15, 2008 7:40:16 GMT
Depression varies from person to person. I only started suffering from it about 5 years ago. Before that, during my 20s I went through hell and back but that's a whole new thread that I'll never start - came out of all that stronger and more practical but alas, depression in a lot of cases is a chemical thing that is down to the brain disfunctioning rather than faulty thinking. Oh I've met people who are depressed cos they think the world owes them something and just need a kick of reality or a good few sessions of cognitive therapy but alas, those type of people often think they are in the right too so you end up dropping them as friends cos they just do your head in moaning, moaning, moaning. Well put Sunstreaker. Glad things have turned around for you Galvy - hope that continues
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Post by Caken Lagann on Jan 15, 2008 8:06:36 GMT
Just a few pennies worth... I try not to talk about it. All mental ailments are personal, no two people will ever suffer the same way despite having the same illness. Depression is a lovely blanket term used to describe the symptoms resulting from whatever the patient actually is ailing from. In this thread we can see many things causing people to be depressed. I'll own up to borderline personality disorder hedging on the bipolar with a little touch of obsessive/compulsive with an addictive personality. It might be chemical but some is the result of living with the others and not learning to get past them. I also have a very short sleep cycle which can screw things up royally if I don't pay attention. I have been through lots of therapy, chemical preparations (legal and otherwise) and also ignoring situations hoping they'll go away or I'll be strong enough to cope at a later date. I have been lucky enough to have a partner who has put up with me for over 14 years, and in the last three given me two great little boys. SHe has given me hope, help and love and also brought me pain, sorrow and rage but one side outweighs and oulives the other by such a huge degree... Also the wee ones are a good part of learning ways through as there is always something good to come home to. The eldest is very stressful because the youngest was very,very ill being a premature birth and gets plenty of attention but we are all learning about that as a family. All that said I'll never get away from some symptoms of the things that cause my depression. It will always be the "monkey on my back" sticking it's fingers into all my pies trying to sow dissent and confusion. Luckily enough I have been strong enough to walk away from therapy and chemicals (even smoking!) and only accept their help when needed on a short term basis. But I am still getting through life with some success. I have a family who loves me (and I love them), many friends who I appreciate every time I speak with them no matter the time or distance, a job which pays enough to survive in jolly old England and a huge Transformers collection. There is always another way, it's finding it that which takes the time, effort and help which is so difficult to find when you're down. Recognising and admitting you're depressed is the first step to recovery, remembering that there is always another way is the hardest part of keeping going. It also helps to keep in mind that life was never easy for anyone, yours just got a little too complicated for a spell
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Post by Sunstreaker on Jan 15, 2008 16:56:00 GMT
well I have to say that was extremely well put are you feeling okay Streaky? need a lie down? [glow=red,2,300] Thanks Ghosty... Am gonna have a little snoooze now...
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Post by sonny on Jan 16, 2008 1:56:47 GMT
depression can also be caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. Theres different types of depression which are brought on by different things. Mine is a chemical thing, hence why i have been this way for years now and it shows no sign of stopping any time soon so its harder to live with. Id take circumstantial depression over this "gotta live with it" bollocks any day.
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Post by Caken Lagann on Jan 16, 2008 8:16:14 GMT
I think perhaps I have not made it clear what I am trying to say, so I'll add a little more. Before I do though, I am not starting an argument over whose depression is worse. Everyone's own feelings could make them believe theirs is the worst, right or wrong it has ever been the way. That you suffer is is bad enough without adding impotent anger to the mix, so please do not think think I am being personal.
Depression is a symptom, not an illness in itself. The chemical imbalance might be the illness and depression is the resulting symptom that is suffered because of it. As you say, depression may be circumstantial, resulting from other mental imbalances or a general "worn down" state of body and mind. Sometimes the imbalance can be helped with prescribed treatments and sometimes therapy can aid the sufferer to learn techniques to work around it. Either chemical or circumstantial situations can lead to depression, either or even both treatments can help with it. It is up to the individual to lay claim to it and then learn to defeat it in their own way, it is an entirely self decided situation.
Although I stated I had other mental problems that lead to my depression I did not state what caused them in the beginning. I too have a chemical imbalance which prevents certain areas of my brain interacting in the "normal" way. Despite that it has granted me a far reaching memory with fantastic ability to recall phone numbers and more moments of deja vu than most people. I have spent many years wallowing, learning and then fighting to be a whole person instead a fractured one, I can live without presribed treatments because I have had an awful lot of practice and I prefer occasional lapses to the severe side effects of the treatments.
Putting depression aside to learn to live with or solve the underlying problem takes guts, heart and help but is always worthwhile. Live to smile and never admit defeat until you've learned to fight.
P.S. Where is the thread for the few on this board that aren't sufferers then?
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Post by Starscreams Ghost on Jan 16, 2008 9:29:37 GMT
P.S. Where is the thread for the few on this board that aren't sufferers then? looks like theyre in a minority
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Post by TheGreatDestroyer on Jan 16, 2008 12:08:13 GMT
P.S. Where is the thread for the few on this board that aren't sufferers then? looks like theyre in a minority You may be right there, that's cool though, as long as there's chocolate and anime GD won't be depressed. Having never experienced depression and never wanting to, I can't really add much to this and don't want to upset anyone with a dumb spam thread saying why's everyone so glum lol
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Post by sonny on Jan 16, 2008 14:35:36 GMT
You get lots of deja vu too skycake? I have that a lot as well. I wonder why... My memory is awful though, cant remember anything.
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Post by Rev. Mirage on Jan 16, 2008 15:41:59 GMT
P.S. Where is the thread for the few on this board that aren't sufferers then? If they arn't interested no one is forcing them to read the thread. It's perfectly on-topic for the "general" board despite it's lack of cheese and zombies. ;-)
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Post by Sunstreaker on Jan 16, 2008 16:59:19 GMT
[glow=red,2,300] The Golden Delicious One is awoken from his snooze at the mention of the words 'cheese' and 'zombies' long enough to mumble 'Oo... new Romero...' before going back to sleep... [/glow]
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Post by Minion on Jan 16, 2008 23:12:19 GMT
looks like theyre in a minority You may be right there, that's cool though, as long as there's chocolate and anime GD won't be depressed. Having never experienced depression and never wanting to, I can't really add much to this and don't want to upset anyone with a dumb spam thread saying why's everyone so glum lol I'm with you, only replace the chocolate with a tasty protein shake or can of tuna and the anime for some mindless childrens cartoons. As for you Mr Rev, I distinctly remeber you holding me at gun point and forcing me to read this thread in detail! Anyway, back on topic on which I have nothing constructive to contribute as I have never suffered with this illness/affilction/condition (whatever the PC term is - my apologies for not knowing).
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